Online course libraries
Asked as “online course library for employees”, and as “corporate training content subscription”, on behalf of a mid-market B2B company. 40 first choices recorded across the direct, paraphrase, budget and scale prompts, twelve models each.
Standing · first-choice share
32%
Contested · LinkedIn Learning 28%
32Udemy Business28LinkedIn Learning08ProProfs Training Maker32others
32% of first choices, contested.
By buyer segment
The same question asked on behalf of a different buyer. Each standing is computed within its segment; they sit side by side and are never added together.
The standing
Share is the count of first choices across the direct, paraphrase, budget and scale prompts, over all twelve models, for a mid-market B2B company. Ordered by share.
ProductFirst-choice shareNegative rateLabelsQuadrant
Show the four products at 0%, ordered by negative rate
Bars are the share of first choices, 0 to 100Every product with at least 10 labels here. Every product name links to its product page.
Head to head
All six head-to-head pages: the top four products, each against each
Recommended versus criticized
Every product with at least 10 labels here, on both axes. The 30% line names a quadrant, not the verdict above: that one needs more than 40%.
Criticized challengerCriticized default
Negative label rate →
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08Accepted challengerEndorsed leader
0%First-choice share → · lines at 30% share and 25% negative50%
Key
01Udemy Business32%
Udemy Business32%02LinkedIn Learning28%
LinkedIn Learning28%03TalentLMS8%
TalentLMS8%04Coursera for Business2%
Coursera for Business2%05Pluralsight0%
Pluralsight0%06Absorb LMS0%
Absorb LMS0%07Skillshare0%
Skillshare0%08Skillsoft Percipio0%
Skillsoft Percipio0%What they warned about
Five of twelve models held their first choice under the paraphrase. GPT-5.4 mini, Gemini 3.5 Flash, Mistral Small, Llama 4 Maverick, Kimi K2, GLM 4.7 FlashX and MiniMax M2.5 changed. A high negative share on a product with few labels is a warning. A low share on a product with many labels is salience, not sentiment.
Coursera for Business18%
7 of 39 labels negative · 5 of 12 models · 1 hard negative
“too pricey for limited budgets” Grok 4.20, budget prompt
Udemy Business11%
5 of 47 labels negative · 5 of 12 models
“Open Marketplaces (High Caution Required) ... Examples: Udemy, Skillshare. ... there is no filter between experts and novices” Qwen 3.7 Flash, negative prompt
Go125%
2 of 8 labels negative · 2 of 12 models · 1 hard negative
“Aggregators (OpenSesame, Go1) ... Poor quality control, irrelevant content, tech glitches” Grok 4.20, negative prompt
LinkedIn Learning7%
3 of 46 labels negative · 2 of 12 models · 1 hard negative
“Avoid higher-end like LinkedIn Learning (~$380/user/year)” Grok 4.20, budget prompt
What they cite
Twelve of the twelve models returned a source list in this edition: four return the pages they cited and eight the search results they consulted.
Sites the answers cite
56 of 72 answers in this category came back with a source list, from 11 of 12 models: citations where the model returns them, or the search results it consulted. 837 links across 314 sites, every framing counted. Ranked by the number of answers carrying the site or page. The other 1 model searched through a gateway that returned no source list on this edition.
vendor site · ProProfs Training25 answers · 32 citations · 10 models
19 answers · 19 citations · 8 models
vendor site · GoodHabitz18 answers · 25 citations · 8 models
vendor site · G215 answers · 33 citations · 6 models
vendor site · Docebo15 answers · 18 citations · 7 models
vendor site · TechClass15 answers · 17 citations · 9 models
14 answers · 17 citations · 6 models
vendor site · GoSkills13 answers · 24 citations · 9 models
vendor site · SafetyCulture13 answers · 22 citations · 9 models
vendor site · LinkedIn13 answers · 14 citations · 8 models
vendor site · Reddit12 answers · 23 citations · 7 models
vendor site · Coursera9 answers · 17 citations · 6 models
Pages the answers cite
The ten pages named in the most answers, by full address. A page here is one the models returned with a recommendation, not one the index endorses.
19 answers · 8 models
17 answers · 9 models
15 answers · 9 models
14 answers · 8 models
10 answers · 6 models
9 answers · 6 models
8 answers · 7 models
8 answers · 6 models
8 answers · 8 models
8 answers · 6 models
Search against answers
Each company's standing in the answers beside its site's footprint in Google search, one row a site: the products the models named on it with their shares, and the share they add up to; monthly searches on Google, and DataForSEO's estimate of AI search demand (modeled from search signals, directional, not a count of queries to any assistant), for the most-searched of the company's and its products' names (the name is in each row's hover text); estimated monthly organic visits to the site; and its best position in Google's top ten for “best online course library for employees”, “course libraries”, “online course library for employees”. US estimates from DataForSEO and Google's Ads Transparency Center. A small company's site, or a mid-sized company's site for its flagship, is marked company; a product on a large parent's site (Google, Microsoft) has no site figures. A column with no figures for this category is left out, and an empty cell means none were seen, not none exist. Two measurements side by side: neither is read as the cause of the other.
| Company and products | Share | Own site cited | Name searches, Google | AI search demand, est. | Organic visits | Paid search a month, est. | Google ads, last 30 days | Best Google position |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Udemy Business udemy.com | 32% | 235 | 8,100 | 71 | 1,600,745 | $94 | 111 | |
| LinkedIn linkedin.com LinkedIn Learning 28% | 28% | 228 | 11,100,000 | 77,031 | 331,033,472 company | $1,032 | 113 | |
| TalentLMS talentlms.com | 8% | 421 | 8,100 | 103 | 82,431 | $1,179 | 119 | 2 |
| ProProfs proprofstraining.com ProProfs Training Maker 8% | 8% | 30 | 170 | 1 | 39,341 | 0 | ||
| GoSkills goskills.com | 5% | 169 | 1,900 | 23 | 120,277 | 120 | ||
| Coursera coursera.org Coursera for Business 2% | 2% | 153 | 450,000 | 8,614 | 18,845,147 company | $2,331 | 116 | |
| GoodHabitz goodhabitz.com | 2% | 5 | 140 | 4 | 319 | |||
| Litmos litmos.com | 2% | 20 | 8,100 | 143 | 7,774 | 32 | ||
| Moodle moodle.com | 2% | 44 | 165,000 | 2,903 | 159,371 | 0 | ||
| SC Training safetyculture.com | 2% | 51 | 590 | 825 | 466,981 | 1 |
Google's top ten for the three searches hold 20 sites; 0 of them are among the sites the models cited here. The first result for “best online course library for employees” is course.libraryjournal.com.
How they answered
Six framings of the same buying question, each sent to every model in a fresh session with search on. One row per model, so a row shows whether it held its answer under rewording, what it named when cost was the constraint, and what it argued against. Computed from the raw judge labels.ShowHide
How they answered
Six framings of the same buying question, each sent to every model in a fresh session with search on. One row per model, so a row shows whether it held its answer under rewording, what it named when cost was the constraint, and what it argued against. Computed from the raw judge labels.
ShowHideModelDirect“What is the best online course library for employees for a mid-market B2B company?”Paraphrase“Which corporate training content subscription would you recommend to a mid-sized B2B company?”Comparative“What are the top course libraries and how do they differ?”Budget-constrained“What is the best online course library for employees for a company with a limited budget?”Scale-constrained“We are a 500 person company evaluating an online course library for employees. What should we look at?”Negative“Which course libraries should I avoid or be cautious about?”
Claude Haiku 4.5no first choiceno first choiceHeldno first choiceUdemy Businessno first choicenothing named
Three alternatives
Coursera for Business, LinkedIn Learning, SkillshareGPT-5.4 miniUdemy BusinessLinkedIn LearningChangedno first choiceUdemy Businessagainst: Coursera for Businessno first choicenothing named
Two alternatives
BizLibrary, LinkedIn LearningSix alternatives
360Learning, Cornerstone Content Hub, Coursera for Business, Docebo, Pluralsight, Udemy BusinessOne alternative
LinkedIn LearningGemini 3.5 FlashUdemy BusinessLinkedIn Learning, Udemy BusinessChangedno first choiceSC Trainingno first choiceagainst: 2U, Coursera for Business, Emeritus, MasterClass, Simplilearn, Skillshare, Udacity, Udemy Business
Five alternatives
Go1, LinkedIn Learning, Litmos, Pluralsight, TalentLMSThree alternatives
Coursera for Business, OpenSesame, PluralsightFour alternatives
Alison, GoSkills, Oak Innovation, Udemy BusinessPerplexity SonarLinkedIn LearningLinkedIn LearningHeldno first choiceTalentLMSno first choiceagainst: BizLibrary, Go1, OpenSesame
Five alternatives
BizLibrary, Coursera for Business, Go1, GoodHabitz, Udemy BusinessThree alternatives
Absorb LMS, GoodHabitz, iSpring AcademyOne alternative
Great Courses Library CollectionThree alternatives
HubSpot Academy, Moodle, ProProfs Training MakerGrok 4.20Udemy Businessagainst: O'Reilly Learning, Skillsoft PercipioUdemy BusinessHeldagainst: Skillsoft Percipiono first choiceGoSkillsagainst: Coursera for Business, LinkedIn Learning, Udemy Businessno first choiceagainst: BizLibrary, Coursera for Business, Go1, LinkedIn Learning, OpenSesame, edX
Three alternatives
Coursera for Business, LinkedIn Learning, PluralsightThree alternatives
Coursera for Business, LinkedIn Learning, PluralsightTwo alternatives
ProProfs Training Maker, TalentLMSMistral SmallUdemy BusinessTechClassChangedno first choiceagainst: Udemy BusinessUdemy Businessno first choiceagainst: Courseslibrary.com, TheNewBoston
Three alternatives
Absorb LMS, TalentLMS, iSpring LearnTwo alternatives
LearnUpon, iSpring LearnDeepSeek V4 FlashLinkedIn Learningagainst: Absorb LMSLinkedIn LearningHeldagainst: Skillsoft PercipioCoursera for Business, edXUdemy Businessagainst: Moodleno first choicenothing named
Four alternatives
Coursera for Business, LearnUpon, Udemy Business, iSpring LearnTwo alternatives
Coursera for Business, Udemy BusinessSix alternatives
Codecademy, LinkedIn Learning, Pluralsight, Skillshare, Udemy Business, freeCodeCampFour alternatives
Coursera for Business, GoSkills, OpenSkills, TalentLMSLlama 4 MaverickProProfs Training Makerno first choiceChangedno first choiceGoodHabitz, Mitti, ProProfs Training Makerno first choicenothing named
Three alternatives
Coursera for Business, LinkedIn Learning, LitmosFive alternatives
Coursera for Business, Eduflow, Khan Academy, LinkedIn Learning, TeachfloorQwen 3.7 FlashLinkedIn LearningLinkedIn LearningHeldno first choiceProProfs Training Makerno first choiceagainst: Coursera for Business, LinkedIn Learning, O'Reilly Learning, Pluralsight, Skillshare, Udemy Business, edX
Four alternatives
CXL Institute, HubSpot Academy, TalentLMS, Udemy BusinessThree alternatives
Coursera for Business, Pluralsight, Udemy BusinessThree alternatives
SafetyCulture, Udemy Business, iSpring AcademyKimi K2Udemy Businessagainst: Coursera for BusinessLinkedIn Learning, Udemy BusinessChangedCoursera for Business, edXGoSkillsagainst: Coursera for Businessno first choicenothing named
One alternative
LinkedIn LearningTwo alternatives
Go1, PluralsightFour alternatives
LinkedIn Learning, MasterClass, Skillshare, Udemy BusinessFour alternatives
Khan Academy, LinkedIn Learning, SC Training, Udemy BusinessGLM 4.7 FlashXLinkedIn Learning, TalentLMSLinkedIn LearningChangedno first choiceMoodleno first choicenothing named
Four alternatives
Absorb LMS, Coursera for Business, Docebo, LitmosFive alternatives
360Learning, BizLibrary, OpenSesame, TalentLMS, iSpring LearnFive alternatives
Coursera for Business, LinkedIn Learning, ProProfs Training Maker, SafetyCulture, SkillsHubMiniMax M2.5LitmosCornerstone Content Subscriptions, Coursera for BusinessChangedCoursera for Business, edXTalentLMS, Udemy Businessno first choiceagainst: Udemy Business
Four alternatives
360Learning, ProProfs Training Maker, TalentLMS, Udemy BusinessThree alternatives
CCL Passport, GoodHabitz, TalentLMSEight alternatives
DataCamp, Khan Academy, LinkedIn Learning, MasterClass, Pluralsight, Skillshare, Udacity, Udemy BusinessTwo alternatives
GoSkills, MoodleBold is the first choiceAlternatives are counted; the count opens them.What the answer argued against
The record
One row per call: the version string exactly as returned, whether the model searched, sources cited, and latency.
Seventy-two rows: every prompt, every model, every answer.
| Prompt | Model | Version string | Time (UTC) | Searched | Sources | Latency |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Direct recommendation | Claude Haiku 4.5 | claude-haiku-4-5-20251001 | 2026-09-17 19:54 | no | 0 | 5 s |
| Direct recommendation | GPT-5.4 mini | gpt-5.4-mini-2026-03-17 | 2026-09-17 18:35 | yes | 4 | 6 s |
| Direct recommendation | Gemini 3.5 Flash | gemini-3.5-flash | 2026-09-17 18:22 | yes | 16 | 31 s |
| Direct recommendation | Perplexity Sonar | sonar | 2026-09-17 21:28 | yes | 20 | 5 s |
| Direct recommendation | Grok 4.20 | spacexai/grok-4.1-fast-non-reasoning via vertex (asked for grok-4.20-non-reasoning; the API answered as this version) | 2026-09-17 19:37 | yes | 48 | 22 s |
| Direct recommendation | Mistral Small | mistral/mistral-small via mistral | 2026-09-17 19:56 | yes | 6 | 8 s |
| Direct recommendation | DeepSeek V4 Flash | deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash via fireworks | 2026-09-17 18:59 | yes | 21 | 37 s |
| Direct recommendation | Llama 4 Maverick | meta/llama-4-maverick via bedrock | 2026-09-17 21:04 | yes | 7 | 5 s |
| Direct recommendation | Qwen 3.7 Flash | alibaba/qwen3.7-flash via alibaba | 2026-09-17 20:12 | yes | 10 | 37 s |
| Direct recommendation | Kimi K2 | moonshotai/kimi-k2 via novita | 2026-09-17 21:10 | yes | 15 | 20 s |
| Direct recommendation | GLM 4.7 FlashX | zai/glm-4.7-flashx via zai | 2026-09-17 18:36 | yes | 14 | 63 s |
| Direct recommendation | MiniMax M2.5 | minimax/minimax-m2.5 via minimax | 2026-09-17 21:13 | yes | 14 | 35 s |
| Paraphrase | Claude Haiku 4.5 | claude-haiku-4-5-20251001 | 2026-09-17 21:26 | no | 0 | 4 s |
| Paraphrase | GPT-5.4 mini | gpt-5.4-mini-2026-03-17 | 2026-09-17 20:57 | yes | 3 | 6 s |
| Paraphrase | Gemini 3.5 Flash | gemini-3.5-flash | 2026-09-17 18:54 | yes | 8 | 22 s |
| Paraphrase | Perplexity Sonar | sonar | 2026-09-17 20:03 | yes | 20 | 5 s |
| Paraphrase | Grok 4.20 | spacexai/grok-4.1-fast-non-reasoning via vertex (asked for grok-4.20-non-reasoning; the API answered as this version) | 2026-09-17 20:12 | yes | 36 | 17 s |
| Paraphrase | Mistral Small | mistral/mistral-small via mistral | 2026-09-17 19:49 | yes | 19 | 9 s |
| Paraphrase | DeepSeek V4 Flash | deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash via fireworks | 2026-09-17 21:20 | yes | 13 | 18 s |
| Paraphrase | Llama 4 Maverick | meta/llama-4-maverick via bedrock | 2026-09-17 18:00 | yes | 5 | 3 s |
| Paraphrase | Qwen 3.7 Flash | alibaba/qwen3.7-flash via alibaba | 2026-09-17 19:33 | no | 0 | 27 s |
| Paraphrase | Kimi K2 | moonshotai/kimi-k2 via novita | 2026-09-17 20:12 | yes | 18 | 44 s |
| Paraphrase | GLM 4.7 FlashX | zai/glm-4.7-flashx via zai | 2026-09-17 19:36 | yes | 14 | 45 s |
| Paraphrase | MiniMax M2.5 | minimax/minimax-m2.5 via minimax | 2026-09-17 20:55 | yes | 9 | 22 s |
| Comparative | Claude Haiku 4.5 | claude-haiku-4-5-20251001 | 2026-09-17 19:48 | no | 0 | 2 s |
| Comparative | GPT-5.4 mini | gpt-5.4-mini-2026-03-17 | 2026-09-17 18:25 | yes | 0 | 5 s |
| Comparative | Gemini 3.5 Flash | gemini-3.5-flash | 2026-09-17 19:24 | yes | 8 | 21 s |
| Comparative | Perplexity Sonar | sonar | 2026-09-17 20:13 | yes | 20 | 9 s |
| Comparative | Grok 4.20 | spacexai/grok-4.1-fast-non-reasoning via vertex (asked for grok-4.20-non-reasoning; the API answered as this version) | 2026-09-17 19:50 | yes | 32 | 16 s |
| Comparative | Mistral Small | mistral/mistral-small via mistral | 2026-09-17 20:58 | yes | 15 | 11 s |
| Comparative | DeepSeek V4 Flash | deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash via fireworks | 2026-09-17 19:25 | yes | 18 | 17 s |
| Comparative | Llama 4 Maverick | meta/llama-4-maverick via bedrock | 2026-09-17 19:55 | yes | 5 | 3 s |
| Comparative | Qwen 3.7 Flash | alibaba/qwen3.7-flash via alibaba | 2026-09-17 19:35 | yes | 5 | 13 s |
| Comparative | Kimi K2 | moonshotai/kimi-k2 via novita | 2026-09-17 21:18 | yes | 10 | 23 s |
| Comparative | GLM 4.7 FlashX | zai/glm-4.7-flashx via zai | 2026-09-17 18:57 | yes | 10 | 75 s |
| Comparative | MiniMax M2.5 | minimax/minimax-m2.5 via minimax | 2026-09-17 20:00 | yes | 5 | 61 s |
| Budget constrained | Claude Haiku 4.5 | claude-haiku-4-5-20251001 | 2026-09-17 20:58 | no | 0 | 4 s |
| Budget constrained | GPT-5.4 mini | gpt-5.4-mini-2026-03-17 | 2026-09-17 17:58 | no | 0 | 3 s |
| Budget constrained | Gemini 3.5 Flash | gemini-3.5-flash | 2026-09-17 22:00 | yes | 14 | 57 s |
| Budget constrained | Perplexity Sonar | sonar | 2026-09-17 18:39 | yes | 20 | 6 s |
| Budget constrained | Grok 4.20 | spacexai/grok-4.1-fast-non-reasoning via vertex (asked for grok-4.20-non-reasoning; the API answered as this version) | 2026-09-17 19:25 | yes | 46 | 21 s |
| Budget constrained | Mistral Small | mistral/mistral-small via mistral | 2026-09-17 20:52 | yes | 5 | 4 s |
| Budget constrained | DeepSeek V4 Flash | deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash via fireworks | 2026-09-17 21:17 | yes | 29 | 33 s |
| Budget constrained | Llama 4 Maverick | meta/llama-4-maverick via bedrock | 2026-09-17 18:12 | yes | 6 | 5 s |
| Budget constrained | Qwen 3.7 Flash | alibaba/qwen3.7-flash via alibaba | 2026-09-17 20:48 | yes | 8 | 40 s |
| Budget constrained | Kimi K2 | moonshotai/kimi-k2 via novita | 2026-09-17 18:49 | yes | 15 | 26 s |
| Budget constrained | GLM 4.7 FlashX | zai/glm-4.7-flashx via zai | 2026-09-17 20:49 | yes | 13 | 155 s |
| Budget constrained | MiniMax M2.5 | minimax/minimax-m2.5 via minimax | 2026-09-17 18:39 | yes | 10 | 29 s |
| Scale constrained | Claude Haiku 4.5 | claude-haiku-4-5-20251001 | 2026-09-17 18:58 | no | 0 | 6 s |
| Scale constrained | GPT-5.4 mini | gpt-5.4-mini-2026-03-17 | 2026-09-17 18:13 | no | 0 | 6 s |
| Scale constrained | Gemini 3.5 Flash | gemini-3.5-flash | 2026-09-17 21:58 | no | 0 | 46 s |
| Scale constrained | Perplexity Sonar | sonar | 2026-09-17 18:17 | yes | 20 | 7 s |
| Scale constrained | Grok 4.20 | spacexai/grok-4.1-fast-non-reasoning via vertex (asked for grok-4.20-non-reasoning; the API answered as this version) | 2026-09-17 20:09 | yes | 15 | 12 s |
| Scale constrained | Mistral Small | mistral/mistral-small via mistral | 2026-09-17 21:15 | no | 0 | 7 s |
| Scale constrained | DeepSeek V4 Flash | deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash via fireworks | 2026-09-17 18:16 | yes | 20 | 23 s |
| Scale constrained | Llama 4 Maverick | meta/llama-4-maverick via bedrock | 2026-09-17 19:58 | yes | 5 | 4 s |
| Scale constrained | Qwen 3.7 Flash | alibaba/qwen3.7-flash via alibaba | 2026-09-17 20:39 | no | 0 | 27 s |
| Scale constrained | Kimi K2 | moonshotai/kimi-k2 via novita | 2026-09-17 19:42 | yes | 10 | 21 s |
| Scale constrained | GLM 4.7 FlashX | zai/glm-4.7-flashx via zai | 2026-09-17 20:12 | yes | 15 | 68 s |
| Scale constrained | MiniMax M2.5 | minimax/minimax-m2.5 via minimax | 2026-09-17 19:02 | yes | 5 | 16 s |
| Negative framing | Claude Haiku 4.5 | claude-haiku-4-5-20251001 | 2026-09-17 20:35 | no | 0 | 2 s |
| Negative framing | GPT-5.4 mini | gpt-5.4-mini-2026-03-17 | 2026-09-17 21:17 | no | 0 | 2 s |
| Negative framing | Gemini 3.5 Flash | gemini-3.5-flash | 2026-09-17 19:16 | yes | 33 | 32 s |
| Negative framing | Perplexity Sonar | sonar | 2026-09-17 20:18 | yes | 20 | 6 s |
| Negative framing | Grok 4.20 | spacexai/grok-4.1-fast-non-reasoning via vertex (asked for grok-4.20-non-reasoning; the API answered as this version) | 2026-09-17 21:13 | yes | 42 | 17 s |
| Negative framing | Mistral Small | mistral/mistral-small via mistral | 2026-09-17 20:10 | yes | 5 | 6 s |
| Negative framing | DeepSeek V4 Flash | deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash via deepinfra | 2026-09-17 19:27 | no | 0 | 7 s |
| Negative framing | Llama 4 Maverick | meta/llama-4-maverick via bedrock | 2026-09-17 20:03 | yes | 10 | 5 s |
| Negative framing | Qwen 3.7 Flash | alibaba/qwen3.7-flash via alibaba | 2026-09-17 20:02 | no | 0 | 30 s |
| Negative framing | Kimi K2 | moonshotai/kimi-k2 via novita | 2026-09-17 18:48 | yes | 10 | 18 s |
| Negative framing | GLM 4.7 FlashX | zai/glm-4.7-flashx via zai | 2026-09-17 20:43 | yes | 8 | 53 s |
| Negative framing | MiniMax M2.5 | minimax/minimax-m2.5 via minimax | 2026-09-17 20:02 | yes | 5 | 24 s |
Normalization in this category
Every judgment call made between the raw labels and the numbers above, listed so it is visible and reversible.
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Category-scoped readings
Absorb read as Absorb LMS
Coursera read as Coursera for Business
Coursera Business read as Coursera for Business
O'Reilly read as O'Reilly Learning
Proprofs Training read as ProProfs Training Maker
SAP Litmos read as Litmos
Safari Books Online read as O'Reilly Learning
Skillsoft read as Skillsoft Percipio
Unresolved, counted raw
CCL Passport (Center for Creative Leadership)
CXL Institute
Content Sparks
Cornerstone Content Hub
Eduflow
Emeritus
Great Courses Library Collection
Kanopy
Oak Innovation
OpenSkills
TED Ed
TheNewBoston (YouTube)
WalkMe Learning Arc
Discontinued, still offered
No shut-down product was recommended here.